Skip to content
Muay Ying มวยหญิง
Muay Ying มวยหญิง

Muay Thai For Everyone

  • Muay Thai
    • Fighting and Training
      • Personal Experiences
    • News
    • Spotlight
  • Thailand
    • Gym Reviews
    • Food
      • Chow Down
    • Lifestyle
  • Podcast
    • Podcast Episodes
  • Directory
    • Gyms with Clear Sexual Misconduct Policies
  • Shop
    • The Ultimate Guide to Training in Thailand
  • About
    • What is Muay Thai?
Muay Ying มวยหญิง
Muay Ying มวยหญิง

Muay Thai For Everyone

Home » Muay Thai » Fighting and Training » When a Win is Not a Win and a Loss is Not a Loss: Are Fight Records Important?

win lose draw

When a Win is Not a Win and a Loss is Not a Loss: Are Fight Records Important?

Posted on October 13, 2021October 13, 2021 By Angela Chang

Quick – which fighter is better? The fighter that’s 10-0 or the fighter that’s 0-10?

On the surface, it may seem obvious that the first fighter is much better than the second. But that’s not always the case.

Fight records can be overrated. Most countries do not have a cohesive or detailed system to keep track of who’s who in the Muay Thai scene, so always take fight records with a grain of salt.

Please support the continuation of content on Muay Ying via Patreon

The more wins someone has doesn’t necessarily correlate to their skill or their general “being better” at fighting. And the same goes with fight records. More questions need to be asked – Who were these 10 opponents this fighter won against? Were they quality opponents? Was it a fair matchup? Was the fight competitive? And how well was the fight scored? These questions can also be asked for the person with 10 losses.

If a fighter (or their team) knowingly goes up against someone who is much less skilled than they are, it will be an easy win. If a fighter goes up against someone who took a fight on a week’s notice because the original opponent dropped out, it will most likely also be an easy win. If a promoter wishes to build up someone for various reasons (the fighter is marketable, the fighter is profitable, and/or the promoter also owns the gym where the fighter trains), the fighter will have an advantage that the opponent will not. If the fighter is better adapted to a certain rule set (every Muay Thai sanctioning body has different rules), there is also an advantage.

All of the above factors can create the perfect climate for how a fighter can get to over 20 fights and still be “undefeated”. And it is usually those connected to the fighter who have the power to create those conditions. Unfortunately, the longer you are in the scene, the more you see “politics” being involved with match-making.

Now, let’s look at the fighter who’s lost 10 times. While the casual fight fan might want to boo this fighter and say they suck, there’s more to this fighter than their record. Were they purposely set up with hard fights? Were they in close competitive rounds but missed the victory by a hairline?

And then there are questions to ask about both fighters. Learning is a process that never ends, and that’s very much the case throughout a fighter’s career. Win or lose, there’s something to be learned. However, which fighter do you think learned more? Which fighter has more courage to try again?

Of course, this isn’t going to be the case for every fighter that has a stellar fight record. Some truly didn’t have anything in their favor, yet managed to get win after win. But this is the exception and not the norm. “Politics” are rampant everywhere, and the fight scene is no different.

Conclusion: Fight records don’t tell the entire story. Hard fights may end with a “loss” but it’s a long-term win for the fighter. And easy fights may end with a “win” but it’s a long-term loss for that fighter.

Some great answers were received on this matter via Instagram:

What do YOU think about fight records?

If you want an in-depth guide to training in Thailand, I’ve got just the thing.

book on training in thailand guide
Fighting and Training Muay Thai fight recordmuaythai

Post navigation

Previous post
Next post

Related Posts

Muay Thai digital art of a contract a credit card and coins

The Inner Workings of Thai Gym Contracts: How They Work and How they Currently Contribute to Gender Disparity and Inequalities in Muay Thai

Posted on July 12, 2023August 7, 2023

In the intricate world of Muay Thai, the workings of Thai gym contracts have long been shrouded in mystery. These contracts play a pivotal role in shaping the landscape of the sport, but they also contribute to the perpetuation of gender disparities and systemic inequalities within the community. In this article, we will delve deep into the complexities of Thai gym contracts, shedding light on their inner workings and the impact they have on fighters, particularly women.

Read More
Fighting and Training gym women men padwork thailand

How To Prepare for Thailand’s High Volume Training

Posted on March 24, 2023October 27, 2024

Running, followed by three hours a session, two sessions a day, six days a week. Rinse and repeat.

This training regimen is more than double, sometimes even quadruple, the amount of what people are used to. Due to the structure of Muay Thai classes and lifestyle outside of Thailand, a majority of people just can’t dedicate that much time to training when they’re in their home country.

Read More
Fighting and Training anonymous couch supporting obese woman resting on floor during training in gym

Reframing Failure: How to Turn Losses into Opportunities for Growth in Muay Thai

Posted on September 3, 2023August 7, 2023

In the intense world of Muay Thai, victory and defeat walk hand in hand. Every fighter, from novices to seasoned professionals, faces moments of triumph and setbacks. However, what separates a champion from the rest is the ability to reframe failure as a stepping stone towards growth. This article delves into the art of transforming losses into invaluable opportunities for advancement in the realm of Muay Thai.

Read More

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Support via Patreon

Become a member!

Follow & Support

  • patreon
  • instagram
  • youtube

WHAT IS MUAY THAI?

มวยไทย
Thai boxing
The art of eight limbs

No matter what you call it, this sport has changed lives.

Driven by economical means in Thailand, children from poorer regions of the country start training and fighting to help support their families.

This sport with humble beginnings has grown exponentially all over the world. Although most non-Thais do not fight as an economical means, their passion for the sport has helped pave the way for Muay Thai to become profitable on the international scene.

©2026 Muay Ying มวยหญิง | WordPress Theme by SuperbThemes