Skip to content
Muay Ying มวยหญิง
Muay Ying มวยหญิง

Muay Thai For Everyone

  • Muay Thai
    • Fighting and Training
      • Personal Experiences
    • News
    • Spotlight
  • Thailand
    • Gym Reviews
    • Food
      • Chow Down
    • Lifestyle
  • Podcast
    • Podcast Episodes
  • Directory
    • Gyms with Clear Sexual Misconduct Policies
  • Shop
    • The Ultimate Guide to Training in Thailand
  • About
    • What is Muay Thai?
Muay Ying มวยหญิง
Muay Ying มวยหญิง

Muay Thai For Everyone

Home » Muay Thai » Fighting and Training » When a Win is Not a Win and a Loss is Not a Loss: Are Fight Records Important?

win lose draw

When a Win is Not a Win and a Loss is Not a Loss: Are Fight Records Important?

Posted on October 13, 2021October 13, 2021 By Angela Chang

Quick – which fighter is better? The fighter that’s 10-0 or the fighter that’s 0-10?

On the surface, it may seem obvious that the first fighter is much better than the second. But that’s not always the case.

Fight records can be overrated. Most countries do not have a cohesive or detailed system to keep track of who’s who in the Muay Thai scene, so always take fight records with a grain of salt.

Please support the continuation of content on Muay Ying via Patreon

The more wins someone has doesn’t necessarily correlate to their skill or their general “being better” at fighting. And the same goes with fight records. More questions need to be asked – Who were these 10 opponents this fighter won against? Were they quality opponents? Was it a fair matchup? Was the fight competitive? And how well was the fight scored? These questions can also be asked for the person with 10 losses.

If a fighter (or their team) knowingly goes up against someone who is much less skilled than they are, it will be an easy win. If a fighter goes up against someone who took a fight on a week’s notice because the original opponent dropped out, it will most likely also be an easy win. If a promoter wishes to build up someone for various reasons (the fighter is marketable, the fighter is profitable, and/or the promoter also owns the gym where the fighter trains), the fighter will have an advantage that the opponent will not. If the fighter is better adapted to a certain rule set (every Muay Thai sanctioning body has different rules), there is also an advantage.

All of the above factors can create the perfect climate for how a fighter can get to over 20 fights and still be “undefeated”. And it is usually those connected to the fighter who have the power to create those conditions. Unfortunately, the longer you are in the scene, the more you see “politics” being involved with match-making.

Now, let’s look at the fighter who’s lost 10 times. While the casual fight fan might want to boo this fighter and say they suck, there’s more to this fighter than their record. Were they purposely set up with hard fights? Were they in close competitive rounds but missed the victory by a hairline?

And then there are questions to ask about both fighters. Learning is a process that never ends, and that’s very much the case throughout a fighter’s career. Win or lose, there’s something to be learned. However, which fighter do you think learned more? Which fighter has more courage to try again?

Of course, this isn’t going to be the case for every fighter that has a stellar fight record. Some truly didn’t have anything in their favor, yet managed to get win after win. But this is the exception and not the norm. “Politics” are rampant everywhere, and the fight scene is no different.

Conclusion: Fight records don’t tell the entire story. Hard fights may end with a “loss” but it’s a long-term win for the fighter. And easy fights may end with a “win” but it’s a long-term loss for that fighter.

Some great answers were received on this matter via Instagram:

What do YOU think about fight records?

If you want an in-depth guide to training in Thailand, I’ve got just the thing.

book on training in thailand guide
Fighting and Training Muay Thai fight recordmuaythai

Post navigation

Previous post
Next post

Related Posts

Fighting and Training

The Rules of Hard Sparring & Clinching: The Compromise

Posted on January 29, 2021October 27, 2024

However, what if there could be a median between the light, playful technique-based Thai style of sparring, and the powerful, fast-paced Dutch style of sparring? Some say that there’s a time a place for hard sparring and that it can be worked into any regimen. However, it can also be argued that it’s more about the people you choose to do this with (and less about a forced environment). Controlled hard sparring and hard clinching with the right people can bring you the best of both worlds – the impeccable timing of the Thais and fearsome shots of the Dutch.

Read More
Fighting and Training

How Long Does It Take to Get Good Enough to Fight Muay Thai?

Posted on March 15, 2023August 7, 2023

If you’re thinking of fighting one day, it’s natural to wonder how long it will take to get good enough to step into the ring. It’s a question that’s often asked, but the answer isn’t as straightforward as one might think. It’s not just a matter of putting in a certain number of hours or years of training. There are many factors to consider, and each person’s journey is unique.

Read More
Fighting and Training

Feel everything but show nothing – the importance of having a poker face during training and fighting

Posted on June 10, 2017August 28, 2019

Muay Thai pushes both your physical limits as well as mental limits. Muay Thai is physically exhausting but it is even more exhausting when you let it get to you in your head. Thinking and obsessing over the fact that you are tired will make you even more tired.

Read More

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Support via Patreon

Become a member!

Follow & Support

  • patreon
  • instagram
  • youtube

WHAT IS MUAY THAI?

มวยไทย
Thai boxing
The art of eight limbs

No matter what you call it, this sport has changed lives.

Driven by economical means in Thailand, children from poorer regions of the country start training and fighting to help support their families.

This sport with humble beginnings has grown exponentially all over the world. Although most non-Thais do not fight as an economical means, their passion for the sport has helped pave the way for Muay Thai to become profitable on the international scene.

©2026 Muay Ying มวยหญิง | WordPress Theme by SuperbThemes